Flying Man S sprite Why don’t we run more mafia games?

A question that came to mind recently for me

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So I enjoy playing mafia, partially because it lets me socialize and get away from my irl woes for a time. The thing is, games on this site run so sparingly that I have to play elsewhere to get my fix. I’ve played on MS so far but between the community feeling cliquey and the moderation being rather biased, I’m looking for alternatives. But I only just recently thought “why don’t we run more games here?” Obviously currently there is the limitation of only having 2 boards to work with for hosting games, can optimizations be made to accommodate additional games? This site’s culture is honestly in the Goldilocks zone of “good wholesome community” and “deadlines that require you to have no life to effectively participate”.

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I don’t know how many people would want to play in multiple games at once. I think most people probably get far too consumed into one game to even consider doing two on the site. Plus there’s only so many people who even engage with the Mafia side of this forum, let alone enough of those people who would be interested in hosting?

It just kind of feels like a logistical nightmare, imo.

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Yeah, we can’t run too many. But don’t worry, there’s quite a few games coming up soon, like.. 3 that have been accepted? You’ll get your fix :p

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While this is a good idea, there are a few reasons:

  1. This isn’t a mafia site
  2. The approval/review process/queue is already lengthy, and more games would cause the quality to decline
  3. Not everyone wants to host
  4. More boards to moderate
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Also Kate’s right, there are some interesting games in line to start already…

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I think participation is already low as is. Not sure we can necessarily run more games simultaneously when we’re already struggling to find replacements for a 24-player game lol. But it would be nice maybe to have less dead space between them, I think the mafia people are making an effort to run stuff more often which might be nice

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I think if the site is optimized for mafia gameplay others may be willing to play from offsite. I know in past I’ve tried to recruit folks and they’ve voiced confusing site design as the reason they didn’t join. But also idk if more external folks is something we want

What happened to that “Trust and Deceived” site that I think Ostricho/Aizeque set up? That was a decent place but last I remember it feel into disuse

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oh yeah, that was fun! if someone wanted to run another game there i’d be down to participate.

Except I think it was Grendel, not Ostricho who set it up

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Can someone send a link I am now officially interested. I didn’t even know Ostricho did mafia.

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Hey folks, that wasn’t me who set up the website. My involvement in mafia consisted of hosting or co-hosting The New Plague, Cat Mafia, Twelve Little Victims, and The Forgotten Disciples.

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Because we have an ever-repeating cycle of teens trying to host and something extreme happens irl. If starmen wasn’t 50% kids in its pool of regulars maybe games would happen more.

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Since this rose to the top of the threads, might as well mention that I am probably going to try to run a game pretty soon?

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Oh yeah, I saw the necrobump too. Probably a spambot that got its post deleted.

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Since this rose to the top of the threads, might as well mention that I am probably going to try to run a game pretty soon?

I would like that very much!! I’ve been working on the archives off and on and working on a game of my own. No clue when it might be completed however.

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Are we just sorta in a mafia limbo right now since there aren’t any ready games?

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Basically yeah! Which is fine by me because the last game I ran burned me the hecc out of running games for the time being.

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I have a game that’s been fully written up with Kpiozero! It just…. won’t be held, for a while, is all. Due to mental health reasons :c

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I submitted a game at some point but didn’t hear anything after that. Then again, that might be because I disappeared from Discord shortly afterwards.

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Excited to see whatever is brought to the table. Think about this: site population is already a bit small and cozy. The fact that we have an even smaller subset of mafia enjoyers is even more rare and special. It’s a generational trend too, started here in the late 2000s I believe, and has since been revived in 2015. The torch continues to be passed along. Love it! Please make fun games for me to play.

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The problem with getting consistent games off the ground is the people who apply to run games… Most of the time aren’t people who should be running games.

Most of the applicants that we get are from teens in high school who have never ran a game before. They’ve played a few mafia games and want to try their hand at hosting.

Which is wonderful! I love to see that enthusiasm. that sort of excitement and inspiration to run is something that is crucial to running an exciting game. But the problem is, they cannot understand just how mentally taxing and time consuming hosting a game ACTUALLY is.

It’s not like playing a game of mafia where if you’re not around for a 24 hour period it’s not a big deal. If you’re a host you have to be watching the game as much as possible and need to be able to pump out a write-up and resolve night actions within a reasonable time. Usually 12-24 hours tops.

Many of our teens who apply ARE chronically online anyway and in THEORY would have the time to host a game.

Problem is, many many MANY of you have parents who care about your well-being and the time that you spend looking at a screen. And at any time could ground you from the internet, block starmen.net, take away your computer etc. You could run into issues at school, get assigned a big project, have the game run into your finals.

See, when you’re a teen living under your parents, there’s a LOT of things that can happen that could potentially take you away from the game that is 100% out of your control.

Every time we’ve hosted a game ran by someone who still has homework every night we’ve ran into problems with them not being able to finish their writeups or even risk not even being able to finish the game. It’s admittedly made us VERY hesitant about greenlighting any game from first-time hosts, or hosts who are still in high school.

That is to say I don’t think teens should be hosting games. Oh no no. But I do think that first-time hosts should be running games alongside EXPERIENCED hosts. Someone who knows what to expect and what to do when the inevitable Major Incident happens. All games have at LEAST one major incident that needs to be resolved and it’s always helpful to have someone who has seen incidents like them before who can show you what to do in that situation. It’s also helpful to have someone who can carry the game in case something scary happens like you get grounded.

So yeah. The real reason we don’t have AS many games as we could is because the people who are CAPTABLE of hosting games have been pre-ocupied with other things. And the people who WANT to host games aren’t always the ones who are CAPABLE of hosting games.

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Ah, I see. Well, that does kinda answer some of my questions. Fair enough, honestly.

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You are allowed to use me as an example. I won’t be offended. In fact, I think people knowing about games like mine and CF is an important thing when it comes to hosting. Knowing what went wrong and what not to do. Strict parents, homework overload, mental health risks, and countless more things can ruin an otherwise smooth-running game.

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Thoughts on every mafia game we’ve ever played as fast as possible:

The Mafia Game: Never played, never read

Earthbound Mafia: First game I played. I was absolutely THRILLED to be apart of it. The best thing I’d ever seen at the time.

EarthBound Mafia Round 2: Kail was as damn good host. Whod’a’thunk! My first time playing as mafia and it was absolutely unhinged. We had an off-site forum board that was not monitored at all.

Earthbound Mafia Round 3: Never played, heard it was absolutely insane. I don’t think it was ever really finished.

Fourside/Fiveburg: Never heard anything about this one. Surprised J_Spade even found it

The Two Kingdoms/The Invasion: Never played, never heard of it before J_Spade found it.

Mother 3 Mafia: Never heard of it. If I had I’d had chosen something else when I revived the game.

Mother 3 Mafia: My first time hosting. Changed my life forever. I’ll never know how it ran to completion without falling completely apart.

Happy Happy Village: CQ was an absolute BEAST. Reading again I can tell just how young the meta is. It’s cute actually.

The New Plague: Hosted with Ostricho. Our cool indie was REALLY cool. Lasted way longer than it should have.

Castle of Madness: Set a new standard for what a game could be. Insane in execution in all the right ways. To this day all my original characters in mafia games have the same letter in their fist and last name. Like Bethany Blue and Johnny Juliano. I was eliminated Day 1 by Kail who changed our meta forever.

A Relentless Killer: I didn’t play this but I payed close attention. I remember poor Icy hanging on as last scum. Poor dude.

PokeMafia: The most unhinged game we’d played up to that point. Probably needed more balancing. The writeups were SO dark and gruesome too. Still fun tho!

Castle of Madness – Bus: I was the cool indie. To this day it was my favorite role I’ve ever played. It was a very small game but it felt very intimate that way.

Mother 3 Mafia: New Pork Battle Royale: The biggest game I’ve ever hosted and the biggest game we’ve played since the revival. It had some of my favorite moments but was also the most frustrating to pull off. There were several moments that the game threatened to completely implode with several Major Incidents including instances of actual cheating. One of my favorites overall.

Intermission: Had me completely fooled the entire time. I didn’t play this one but I followed it and BOY was I shocked to find out what the twist was.

Super Smash Bros Mafia: Funny enough? I barely remember this game. I remember PLAYING it. I remember turning on J_Spade very suddenly. And finally feeling like I was coming into my own as a player. But other than that I don’t even remember who I played as.

Twelve Little Victims: Could have been better. I really thought putting 12 people who had never played mafia before in a game would work. It did not. Honestly the way the game was structured mass claiming would have completely broke it for the mafia who ended up winning. Probably my favorite story I’ve ever written.

Ace Mafia: Criminal Intent: Oh boy. This was the first one I’d played in a while and this was the one where I absolutely curb stomped the town by being WAY too aggressive and basically just pressed the town into submission. Made a lot of people afraid to play with me. Not proud of that at all. Been trying to back off that meta ever since.

Catastropic Mafia: Despite the hosts being close friends of mine I didn’t follow this one at ALL. However, to this day I use Grendel’s method of horizontal vote counting that takes up less room. Don’t always include “not voting” but I do like to.

Paper Mafi: The Thousand-Year Don: Brutal. Absolutely brutal. Grendel and I were on the same scum team and I had just come off my absolute curb-stomp that was Ace Mafia so I was absolutely rearing to go kick some townie butt. That’s not the way it turned out. At all. I was so frustrated in that we’d get to a point where we were a LITTLE safe only for something to happen to throw us off yet again.

The Forgotten Disciples: I really liked this story at the time even though I don’t remember anything about it now. I dind’t play this but I really do think we need more mini-mafia games.

Cabin Fever: One HELL of a notorious game that was plagued by hosts dropping out, other hosts who didn’t know how to run a game. It suffered delays, balancing issues, and a myriad of other issues. Worse yet, it was the first game that was run entirely without a Mafia Council member as a host. An omen of things to come.

Eternity Void: I heard great things about this. Everyone who talks about this game hails it as some of the best we’ve done. Wish I’d played or at least read it.

Gravity Falls Mafia: This was one game that I had not planned on hosting but came to the rescue so that it didn’t fail. It was very very difficult to host and nearly turned me off hosting for a very long time.

Shovel Knight Mafia: A lot of fun in concept. I agreed to host this game if I didn’t have to write the story. Which worked out better for me. Our first mafia victory in a long time all because we thought we’d try out partial flips which was a good idea on paper but was poorly executed here.

Majora’s Masquerade: I almost played this one. Had to drop out. Holy cow Lumi played one hell of a game back then. Really cool concept and really cool execution.

Arbiter’s Takeover: One of my favorite games of all time. Gamma had me thoroughly bamboozled all the way through. And the meta story was just SO fun.

Mafia: A return for me writing the story. The first game I’d hosted solo since M3, and our first game that wasn’t role madness. The opposite really. The writing took me way too long and I made a rule for myself that writeups MUST stick to one MS Word page. Trans-masc people told me that they felt seen by my character Johnny and honestly that was quite possibly the biggest compliment I’ve ever received for anything I’ve ever done.

The Fall of Yggdrasil: Dragon Quest XI Mafia: I didn’t follow this one at ALL. Honestly I haven’t heard anything about it outside the game. I should probably read this one a little more.

Saltwater Treehouse: Another notorious game that almost didn’t make it to completion. another game that was not hosted by council members. I was the cool indie and in cool indie fashion I was eliminated Day 1. This game was one of the closest we’ve ever gotten to a game not making it through to completion. It needed a lot more oversight from changes to the roster to how things were handled behind the scenes.

Holy Grail Mafia: My favorite game of all time. Seriously, I didn’t think we’d ever top NPBR in terms of a game that offered so much and had such a wide scope. HG delivered a game that was so different in terms of both gameplay and story that it honestly inspires me. Never had as much fun playing a mafia game as I did here. I’m still so proud of my fellow mafia.

Dissention & Deceit: A much much better go at a newbie friendly game. Honestly I think Iggy really stuck the landing with this one. A little more polish to shine, more understanding from our veteran players that this is a newbie game and advanced competitive maneuvers like the Day 1 gambit should be avoided and I think we’d have a perfect newbie game.

Holy Grail Mafia 1.5: Another one that was a whole lot of fun to play. Not quite as fun as the og HG but still extremely fun in its own right.

Hotel Vitriol: This game was hell on me. I’m so proud of my players who stuck through it and for Kpio who carried the majority of the hosting. The original host left the project in the middle of signups and we had to make a choice as to whether or not we cancel it or go through. I stepped up despite not really having the time to host and finished the game. But it was not very well received, especially after such amazing games like HG, D&D and HG1.5. I think a lot of people were turned off of starmen’s meta after this which makes me very sad.

Intermission 2: A return to great games with Kail at the helm running one of my favorite games ever. I still cannot believe Rhys figured out the gimmick of the game so quickly.

LET THE FISH WHO THINKS HE KNOWS NO FEAR LOOK WELL UPON MY FACE

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I (obviously) wasn’t here for a lot of these, but from what I’ve read in the archives, yeah, this about lines up with my own thoughts. Some extended commentary for the ones I actually WAS around for:
Saltwater Treehouse – Past me saw “signups”, decided “okay! I’ll do it!” while have absolutely ZERO CLUE what mafia was. Heck, I don’t even remember if I knew it was a mafia game. Despite sorta reading the rules, I didn’t get it at all but for some reason decided to sign up anyways. It’s definitely for the better my sub slot was never used, not only was the slot I would’ve gotten extremely unoptimal, but I, again, had no clue what this was. I wouldn’t say it had ZERO impact on me whatsoever though, because I eventually decided to read the flavor, went to ask the creator for more lore, and I’m still hurtling down the Synisyx rabbit hole today.

HG 1 – Still kicking myself with a vengeance for deciding to drop into inactivity and missing this. I would hear “mafia” a few more times around this site when I did pop in, and since this game (after it ended) inevitably ended up as reading material for me when I was bored, I found the flavor really cool, but still understood nothing about the mechanics. Since a five-dandee game ended up being my sole impression of what mafia games were like, I just internally decided this it was far too complicated for me (at first). Of course, now I (mostly) understand all of the mechanics and can actually appreciate the work that was put into this.

D&D – Finally, a game I participated in! I cannot explain the agony I felt when I saw the game was tailored specifically for newbies and I saw the post JUST as signups closed. I decided reluctantly to be a replacement after encouragement, although I doubted I’d get subbed in. Thankfully, I was very incorrect! I had a really fun time playing and getting a feel for how mafia works, even though I did lose (thanks to the unexpected hero, Silver_Cave). I’m also quite sure playing was a major catalyst for my becoming a regular here. I tip my hat to Iggy for providing this amazing game for all of us.

HG1.5 – Now THIS was an experience. Participating in an HG game was something I hadn’t expected in my wildest dreams, so to say I signed up immediately is an understatement. I also had a fun time playing this one (and I’m honestly surprised I survived as long as I did). Not nearly as insane as the original, but quite enjoyable nonetheless. It definitely helped me refine myself as a player and continue to understand the various nuances of the game.

Hotel Vitriol – Hghh. Yeah, I didn’t have all that great of an experience with this one but I honestly have a bit of sympathy for this game. I talked with the creator quite a bit about his original visions for the game, and I find it sad he wasn’t able to see them come to fruition. Even aside from that, there were a lot of cool roles in play and a lot of players (looking at you katy) performed amazingly. It was a really fun game to play on paper but…yeah, I don’t know where exactly it went downhill. All that aside, I have nothing but respect for U-G and kpio for stepping up and taking control to see the game through, I can only imagine the effort it took.

I2 – ANOTHER fun game that I missed because my parents decided I needed a break from the forums. Thankfully THAT’S over. The gimmick was hilarious and I had a fun time watching the events unfold. I had a FEELING there’d be no mafia since the ORIGINAL had no town, but I was like “……..nah, they wouldn’t do that.” Can’t believe I was wrong.

I am a Coolio Burgers kind of guy.

Weirdly enough, I’m a pomegranate.

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The last time I played forum mafia it was before I started getting my meds. I started playing at age 13 (M21 babyyyyyyy) and stopped at 15 after a major manic anxiety episode. It wasn’t the first mafia manic anxiety attack I had, but it was probably the most effective because the meta joke of me always being town was broken. I’m on meds now, but out of pure distrust of myself, I’ll be staying away from mafia for a while.

I live on comedy.

One day I’ll probably die from too much of it.